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Post by pdlglm on Nov 29, 2024 13:19:53 GMT -5
Analysis of age vs upside in draft picks. Everyone associated with the NBA is an idiot who can’t see what’s right in front of them. Knecht isn’t even a person to them, he’s a figure on their moneyball spreadsheets that can’t be wrong. It doesn’t matter what he does, they’re going to devalue it because it doesn’t fit with their nerd data models. He could average 50 a game, and they’d all say “well, what’s he going to be like in 6 years???” Meanwhile, almost every young kid they draft will be like Jaden Springer and Keon Johnson and “developing” in the Gleague for half a decade. They will all draft 18 year olds who they hope will one day equal the production of DK instead of drafting DK because that’s what they think smart people do.  |
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Dalton
Nov 29, 2024 16:24:57 GMT -5
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Post by cherokee04 on Nov 29, 2024 16:24:57 GMT -5
Analysis of age vs upside in draft picks. First, I’ll admit I haven’t read the article yet. That said, everyone’s ceiling has a limit. If what we’re seeing right now from Knecht is his ceiling, and I doubt it is, it’s still really good. Steal of the draft? Maybe too early to say, but at THIS point it certainly looks that way. |
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Nov 29, 2024 16:30:07 GMT -5
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Post by cherokee04 on Nov 29, 2024 16:30:07 GMT -5
This video at least raises the question of just how much CRB “developed” DK. My guess is any improvement in DK’s game may be in terms of recognizing when/how to find the open man when his drive is stopped, and in his defense. Neither of those parts of his game are seen in that clip. But in terms of his driving and shooting ability, I think CRB’s main contribution to UT with Knecht was in recognizing his skills and believing they’d transfer to this level of competition. |
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Nov 29, 2024 16:31:14 GMT -5
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Post by cherokee04 on Nov 29, 2024 16:31:14 GMT -5
Analysis of age vs upside in draft picks. Everyone associated with the NBA is an idiot who can’t see what’s right in front of them. Knecht isn’t even a person to them, he’s a figure on their moneyball spreadsheets that can’t be wrong. It doesn’t matter what he does, they’re going to devalue it because it doesn’t fit with their nerd data models. He could average 50 a game, and they’d all say “well, what’s he going to be like in 6 years???” Meanwhile, almost every young kid they draft will be like Jaden Springer and Keon Johnson and “developing” in the Gleague for half a decade. They will all draft 18 year olds who they hope will one day equal the production of DK instead of drafting DK because that’s what they think smart people do. I think there’s a lot of truth here. |
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Nov 29, 2024 19:37:25 GMT -5
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Post by wtmvol on Nov 29, 2024 19:37:25 GMT -5
Analysis of age vs upside in draft picks. Everyone associated with the NBA is an idiot who can’t see what’s right in front of them. Knecht isn’t even a person to them, he’s a figure on their moneyball spreadsheets that can’t be wrong. It doesn’t matter what he does, they’re going to devalue it because it doesn’t fit with their nerd data models. He could average 50 a game, and they’d all say “well, what’s he going to be like in 6 years???” Meanwhile, almost every young kid they draft will be like Jaden Springer and Keon Johnson and “developing” in the Gleague for half a decade. They will all draft 18 year olds who they hope will one day equal the production of DK instead of drafting DK because that’s what they think smart people do. Exactly! |
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Post by glenstorm on Dec 2, 2024 19:32:18 GMT -5
This video at least raises the question of just how much CRB “developed” DK. My guess is any improvement in DK’s game may be in terms of recognizing when/how to find the open man when his drive is stopped, and in his defense. Neither of those parts of his game are seen in that clip. But in terms of his driving and shooting ability, I think CRB’s main contribution to UT with Knecht was in recognizing his skills and believing they’d transfer to this level of competition. I think the thought of coaches really developing players is at least somewhat overstated. I really give credit for the development of DK to DK. |
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Dec 5, 2024 8:29:25 GMT -5
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Post by knoxkid on Dec 5, 2024 8:29:25 GMT -5
6-22 over the last 3 games for:
6 points
6 points
2 points
In a bit of a funk and the Lakers are losing.
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Post by cherokee04 on Dec 5, 2024 8:32:13 GMT -5
6-22 over the last 3 games for: 6 points 6 points 2 points In a bit of a funk and the Lakers are losing. Woof. |
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Post by govols85 on Dec 5, 2024 9:23:15 GMT -5
6-22 over the last 3 games for: 6 points 6 points 2 points In a bit of a funk and the Lakers are losing. I saw that. May need to take it to the hole a little more to aid his confidence. Good, but not great FT shooter. |
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Post by cherokee04 on Dec 5, 2024 9:30:04 GMT -5
6-22 over the last 3 games for: 6 points 6 points 2 points In a bit of a funk and the Lakers are losing. I saw that. May need to take it to the hole a little more to aid his confidence. Good, but not great FT shooter. At UT he was something the upper 70's % as a FT shooter, which as you say is good, not great. But I think he played a lot of minutes and was extremely active when he was playing, so I'm guessing that impacted his FT shooting numbers. Early this season in the NBA, he has been shooting at a roughly 90% clip, but two things: 1) that may have changed lately; 2) that is probably on a pretty small sample size, as I doubt he is getting to the line a ton (haven't looked). Still, I would bet his FT % improves in the NBA. |
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Post by gvt11 on Dec 5, 2024 10:31:28 GMT -5
Other thing is teams may be paying attention to him a bit more. Contrary to prevalent opinion, those guys can play defense.
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Post by bchilds on Dec 5, 2024 10:51:32 GMT -5
Other thing is teams may be paying attention to him a bit more. Contrary to prevalent opinion, those guys can play defense. This right here. He was bound to slump due to the attention. He will bounce back. |
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Dec 5, 2024 13:19:51 GMT -5
Post by goldenjay on Dec 5, 2024 13:19:51 GMT -5
This video at least raises the question of just how much CRB “developed” DK. My guess is any improvement in DK’s game may be in terms of recognizing when/how to find the open man when his drive is stopped, and in his defense. Neither of those parts of his game are seen in that clip. But in terms of his driving and shooting ability, I think CRB’s main contribution to UT with Knecht was in recognizing his skills and believing they’d transfer to this level of competition. I think the thought of coaches really developing players is at least somewhat overstated. I really give credit for the development of DK to DK. Completely agree. Most coaches think of themselves as teachers as much as coaches, but just like many teachers, they overestimate their ability to develop players/students beyond their natural abilities and inclinations. As a former teacher myself, I always liked the expression that "you can teach 'em but you can't learn 'em". I'm not saying that teaching and coaching have NO beneficial effects, but the real secret is to get the player/student to believe in themselves and to accept the necessity of hard work. Drafting or recruiting a completely raw "athlete" with the expectation that you can teach them all the necessary skills is like choosing a spouse with the expectation that you can "change" him or her. That way lies disappointment and frustration for both parties. |
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Post by pdlglm on Dec 5, 2024 14:03:19 GMT -5
the question of whether it is the coach or the player who gets credit for development is meaningless. Of course the coach gets credit for it, and of course the player does too.
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Dec 5, 2024 15:08:47 GMT -5
Post by cherokee04 on Dec 5, 2024 15:08:47 GMT -5
the question of whether it is the coach or the player who gets credit for development is meaningless. Of course the coach gets credit for it, and of course the player does too. True enough, but it hasn't really been a binary "coach or player" issue. I think at times we hear people talking about coaches developing players as if they have magic beans or are some kind of Development Whisperer. |
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