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Post by wtmvol on Jul 30, 2020 19:24:44 GMT -5
After thinking this through and adding a little more to the metrics, there are some more positives backed up by data... We all know that Barnes makes the tournament at a high clip, but I wanted to be sure that was actually "high" compared to his peers. Good news, it is high. Barnes makes the tournament at a 77% clip. Only the blue blood coaches and Mark Few are higher. Coach K is at 80%. Calipari is at 74%. Pearl is at 67%. Cuonzo is a bit down the list in this category at 27%... So, for a guy that has for his entire career coached at schools better known for football (well, after his Providence days anyway), making the tournament 77% of the time is downright awesome. You look at some of these other coaches... really, really good coaches like Billy Donovan, Bruce Pearl, Bob Huggins, Jay Wright... none of those guys make the tournament at that high of a clip. Also, as several have pointed out in this thread, it's not that Barnes has a ton of bad losses. It's just that he doesn't have any great wins either. I mentioned Bob Huggins earlier. He does have a better tournament resume than Barnes. He gets 1.38 wins per tournament appearance compared to Barnes's 1.00. But he's also had an average starting seed of 5.00 compared to 6.08 for Barnes, so you would expect to see a little bit more success from Huggins. In contrast, Barnes doesn't look so hot compared to Pearl. Pearl has an avg starting seed of 6.6 with a 1.5 wins per appearance. So he's getting 50% more wins with a worse starting seed. I guess that last part wasn't so much adding positives into the thread, but still, I think it helps to see it laid out like that. It's also interesting to look at Izzo's numbers. Comparing him to Self, Self is averaging starting out a full 2 seed lines higher than Izzo, yet Izzo has a higher wins per appearance. Izzo is averaging better than a Sweet 16 every year with an average starting seed right around 5. That's really solid. Anyway, I could look at this crap for hours, but probably should get back to doing real, actual work... Hey, this is your Hoopsville work. Darned good work too, we will double your pay. The last thing I want to do is bankrupt this site just after its launch. I’m fine with atlscribe footing the bill though. He’s probably living in a cozy mansion with all those books he’s sold. |
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Post by cherokee04 on Jul 30, 2020 19:40:18 GMT -5
After thinking this through and adding a little more to the metrics, there are some more positives backed up by data... We all know that Barnes makes the tournament at a high clip, but I wanted to be sure that was actually "high" compared to his peers. Good news, it is high. Barnes makes the tournament at a 77% clip. Only the blue blood coaches and Mark Few are higher. Coach K is at 80%. Calipari is at 74%. Pearl is at 67%. Cuonzo is a bit down the list in this category at 27%... So, for a guy that has for his entire career coached at schools better known for football (well, after his Providence days anyway), making the tournament 77% of the time is downright awesome. You look at some of these other coaches... really, really good coaches like Billy Donovan, Bruce Pearl, Bob Huggins, Jay Wright... none of those guys make the tournament at that high of a clip. Also, as several have pointed out in this thread, it's not that Barnes has a ton of bad losses. It's just that he doesn't have any great wins either. I mentioned Bob Huggins earlier. He does have a better tournament resume than Barnes. He gets 1.38 wins per tournament appearance compared to Barnes's 1.00. But he's also had an average starting seed of 5.00 compared to 6.08 for Barnes, so you would expect to see a little bit more success from Huggins. In contrast, Barnes doesn't look so hot compared to Pearl. Pearl has an avg starting seed of 6.6 with a 1.5 wins per appearance. So he's getting 50% more wins with a worse starting seed. I guess that last part wasn't so much adding positives into the thread, but still, I think it helps to see it laid out like that. It's also interesting to look at Izzo's numbers. Comparing him to Self, Self is averaging starting out a full 2 seed lines higher than Izzo, yet Izzo has a higher wins per appearance. Izzo is averaging better than a Sweet 16 every year with an average starting seed right around 5. That's really solid. Anyway, I could look at this crap for hours, but probably should get back to doing real, actual work... I've never had the numbers to prove it, but this confirms what I've always thought about Izzo. The guy does his best work in March. And I genuinely like him. Now that I've said that, a news story will break that unveils all the skeletons in his closet... |
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Post by afvolunteer on Jul 30, 2020 20:29:06 GMT -5
Hey, this is your Hoopsville work. Darned good work too, we will double your pay. The last thing I want to do is bankrupt this site just after its launch. I’m fine with atlscribe footing the bill though. He’s probably living in a cozy mansion with all those books he’s sold. We could start masking some posts and instead include "Sorry, to read this post you must be a Hoopsville VIP member!" Then charge a hundred bucks a year to be a Hoopsville VIP member. All the informative content would actually still come from the posters, not anyone on our staff (we actually wouldn't have a staff). But we, I guess pdl, could make money this way so he could pay to remove the ads and then the site wouldn't be bankrupt. No hard feelings, its just business.
Too soon?!
Also, we could just ask scribe to pay for it all from his new mustard fiction bestseller royalties.
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Post by cherokee04 on Jul 30, 2020 21:00:07 GMT -5
The last thing I want to do is bankrupt this site just after its launch. I’m fine with atlscribe footing the bill though. He’s probably living in a cozy mansion with all those books he’s sold. We could start masking some posts and instead include "Sorry, to read this post you must be a Hoopsville VIP member!" Then charge a hundred bucks a year to be a Hoopsville VIP member. All the informative content would actually still come from the posters, not anyone on our staff (we actually wouldn't have a staff). But we, I guess pdl, could make money this way so he could pay to remove the ads and then the site wouldn't be bankrupt. No hard feelings, its just business.
Too soon?!
Also, we could just ask scribe to pay for it all from his new mustard fiction bestseller royalties.
atlscribe has created a modern day Holmesian detective based in part on the Captain Obvious commercials. He's called Know-sh*t Sherlock. He is a master of Trivial Pursuit and bathroom humor, and in the first installment of the series, as the book opens, we find him wandering in a bleak, dystopian Cormac McCarthy-esque landscape very sparsely populated with evil hotdog truck vendors who have threatened to poison the world's supply of Grey Poupon. After escaping from a hell-on-earth fighting cage known as Thunderdome, he befriends a very short man with large, hairy feet who tells him they must return a bag of day old soft pretzels to Mordor. Accompanied by a red-shoe'd, thick glasses-wearing, gaming enthusiast girl named Dorkothy who listens to her favorite band Toto constantly, they must find the Wise Dolly Llama (an actual llama) who will accept the pretzels as the price of explaining to them the mystery of why hot dogs come in packages of 10 while buns come in packages of 8. But I really should stop now before I give too much away. |
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Post by afvolunteer on Jul 30, 2020 21:51:47 GMT -5
Just because you guys all keep using the word doesn't mean I understand what 'dystopian' means.
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Post by afvolunteer on Jul 30, 2020 22:04:04 GMT -5
I've never had the numbers to prove it, but this confirms what I've always thought about Izzo. The guy does his best work in March. And I genuinely like him. Now that I've said that, a news story will break that unveils all the skeletons in his closet... Pretty sure Izzo was tangentially involved in a Spartans hoops sexual assault allegation thing a few years back. Maybe protecting his players, helping cover it up sort of thing. I don't think much came of it so my assumption is regardless of the circumstances, he probably didn't do anything wrong. I only remember it because it was relatively soon after the Larry Nassar scandal and I remember thinking the same thing about Izzo that you mention...that he seemed like one of the good guys so it surprised me at the time.
I'll always have a soft spot for Izzo because he's helped my NCAAT bracket picks do well many a time in the past.
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Post by atlscribe on Jul 31, 2020 5:23:37 GMT -5
We could start masking some posts and instead include "Sorry, to read this post you must be a Hoopsville VIP member!" Then charge a hundred bucks a year to be a Hoopsville VIP member. All the informative content would actually still come from the posters, not anyone on our staff (we actually wouldn't have a staff). But we, I guess pdl, could make money this way so he could pay to remove the ads and then the site wouldn't be bankrupt. No hard feelings, its just business.
Too soon?!
Also, we could just ask scribe to pay for it all from his new mustard fiction bestseller royalties.
atlscribe has created a modern day Holmesian detective based in part on the Captain Obvious commercials. He's called Know-sh*t Sherlock. He is a master of Trivial Pursuit and bathroom humor, and in the first installment of the series, as the book opens, we find him wandering in a bleak, dystopian Cormac McCarthy-esque landscape very sparsely populated with evil hotdog truck vendors who have threatened to poison the world's supply of Grey Poupon. After escaping from a hell-on-earth fighting cage known as Thunderdome, he befriends a very short man with large, hairy feet who tells him they must return a bag of day old soft pretzels to Mordor. Accompanied by a red-shoe'd, thick glasses-wearing, gaming enthusiast girl named Dorkothy who listens to her favorite band Toto constantly, they must find the Wise Dolly Llama (an actual llama) who will accept the pretzels as the price of explaining to them the mystery of why hot dogs come in packages of 10 while buns come in packages of 8. But I really should stop now before I give too much away. The most obvious takeaway from this conversation is that 'kee is a better writer than I am. |
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Post by gvt11 on Jul 31, 2020 6:34:57 GMT -5
atlscribe has created a modern day Holmesian detective based in part on the Captain Obvious commercials. He's called Know-sh*t Sherlock. He is a master of Trivial Pursuit and bathroom humor, and in the first installment of the series, as the book opens, we find him wandering in a bleak, dystopian Cormac McCarthy-esque landscape very sparsely populated with evil hotdog truck vendors who have threatened to poison the world's supply of Grey Poupon. After escaping from a hell-on-earth fighting cage known as Thunderdome, he befriends a very short man with large, hairy feet who tells him they must return a bag of day old soft pretzels to Mordor. Accompanied by a red-shoe'd, thick glasses-wearing, gaming enthusiast girl named Dorkothy who listens to her favorite band Toto constantly, they must find the Wise Dolly Llama (an actual llama) who will accept the pretzels as the price of explaining to them the mystery of why hot dogs come in packages of 10 while buns come in packages of 8. But I really should stop now before I give too much away. The most obvious takeaway from this conversation is that 'kee is a better writer than I am. Or.....  |
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Post by atlscribe on Jul 31, 2020 6:49:16 GMT -5
The most obvious takeaway from this conversation is that 'kee is a better writer than I am. Or..... Say what you will about my writing, but I'm insulted you think he might be a better drinker than I am. |
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Post by glenstorm on Jul 31, 2020 12:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by smyrnavol on Jul 31, 2020 15:02:19 GMT -5
Just because you guys all keep using the word doesn't mean I understand what 'dystopian' means. It means “the year 2020”. |
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Post by afvolunteer on Jul 31, 2020 15:56:57 GMT -5
Just because you guys all keep using the word doesn't mean I understand what 'dystopian' means. It means “the year 2020”. Hahahaha!! |
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