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Post by bdpvols on Apr 11, 2024 23:48:15 GMT -5
PG is definitely on the list, but a jumbo wing is the priority. They absolutely need a 6‘6-6‘9 guy that is versatile. I still think Avila would have been a great fit. I heard he was going to St. Louis with his old coach. Don't know how reliable that is, but sounds reasonable.
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Post by wtmvol on Apr 12, 2024 5:36:29 GMT -5
I still think Avila would have been a great fit. I heard he was going to St. Louis with his old coach. Don't know how reliable that is, but sounds reasonable. Yeah, Avila has a “no contact” on him, meaning he already knows where he’s going. He isn’t really available
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Post by contextmatters on Apr 12, 2024 7:45:26 GMT -5
If you're not a very good three point shooter, how long will opposing defenses think you are a significant threat? They do scout opponents. You need to BE a good enough threat that the defense puts some emphasis on defending you. Defenses aren't going to think you are for very long if you aren't. In general, I think you need to shoot over 30% on a significant volute for a decent period of time, or a very high percentage for a shorter period of time, so I don't disagree that a 25% shooter (over a large enough volume) is not a shooter. But I think that will vary depending on the track record and shot volume.
If you have no track record and are shooting under 30%, like Keon or Aidoo, teams aren't going to pay attention to you. Likewise, if you had no reputation, put up one good season, then reverted back to stinkage (like Pons), teams will start playing you with a foot in the paint. But if you are a higher-volume shooter with a decent-to-very good history, like Bowden or James, the scout is going to realize that. That aren't going to just decide to stop defending you because you are shooting 26% or 29% through 25 games. They'll know there's a good chance you'll shoot over 40% for the rest of the year (like Bowden and James).[1]
Query for those that want to re-watch the tournament run: Take a look at the off-ball defense for Mashack, Scovi, and Gainey. Who was getting the most space? Until late in the season, at least, I'm pretty confident it was Mashack despite having a better shooting percentage. Did that change late, or were teams still playing the historical percentages?
[1] But not Gainey. Thanks for blowing my stupid prediction, Jordan.
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Post by contextmatters on Apr 12, 2024 8:03:29 GMT -5
As far as Bama goes, as a team they shot 36.53% from beyond the arc. And the five players for them who shot the most threes hit 38.23% (and that includes Grant Nelson, a forward who shot 27.27% on 110 attempts). If you just look at their four highest 3PA guards, those four guys shot 39.91%. Compared to UT: For UT, as a team the Vols shot 34.19% (2.36% lower than Bama as a team). The five players (all guards) who shot the most threes, hit at 34.73% (3.5% lower than Bama's top five launchers). And our four highest 3PA guards shot 34.84% (5.07% lower than Bama). It does hurt us that we don't (or at least didn't) have some big guys who can step outside and shoot well. JJJ wasn't really what I think we mean when we talk about 4's and 5's that pull their defenders away from the paint. He shot a solid 34.12%, and was our sixth highest 3PA guy.
I was not clear with my Bama example. Obviously, better shooters are better.
My point about Oats was that the quality of the shooters doesn't dictate his system; the system dictates what the players do and what players you try to recruit. Even if the best shooters are all guards, Oats still has at least one big man banging away from three in every lineup. He does not tell them to stop shooting threes if they aren't having success (like fans do). If player is shooting 29% (Stevenson) but gets 8 looks against Clemson, then he's supposed to take 8 shots.
More importantly, that's true every year, which is why I picked Bama as the example. The philosophy does not change, whether Bama is shooting 37.3% in 2024 or 30.9 in 2022 (307th in the country).
That's different from what (I believe) has been Barnes's historical approach. Although he's always liked having a stretch big man, he's tweaked the offensive scheme from year to year and even mid-season (which I hate), to match the strengths of his personnel. With his old approach, I would have expected him to adjust the offense next year, playing Awaka at power forward a good bit of the time, to get his best players on the floor.
So when bchilds said the staff was focused on playing four shooters, I read that as indicating that Barnes was sticking to his guns with the current philosophy. even at the risk of losing one of his best players because of lack of minutes. But maybe I read too much into it.
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Post by glenstorm on Apr 12, 2024 8:12:26 GMT -5
I’m not sure how his lack of athleticism would translate. Yeah so I responded to GVT in another thread… we’ve apparently expressed high interest in Cade Tyson at Belmont. Rob Lewis says we are very interested in Tyson but he is from Charlotte and "may be a tough pull" from UNC. A USA today article says he's visiting the Heels next weekend.
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Post by smyrnavol on Apr 12, 2024 9:03:01 GMT -5
Basilio said this morning that Awaka is likely coming back. Apparently Rob Lewis said something similar in the War Room, but I don't have a VQ sub.
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Post by wtmvol on Apr 12, 2024 9:12:08 GMT -5
Basilio said this morning that Awaka is likely coming back. Apparently Rob Lewis said something similar in the War Room, but I don't have a VQ sub. That would be a nice development.
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Post by cherokee04 on Apr 12, 2024 10:40:29 GMT -5
If you're not a very good three point shooter, how long will opposing defenses think you are a significant threat? They do scout opponents. You need to BE a good enough threat that the defense puts some emphasis on defending you. Defenses aren't going to think you are for very long if you aren't. In general, I think you need to shoot over 30% on a significant volute for a decent period of time, or a very high percentage for a shorter period of time, so I don't disagree that a 25% shooter (over a large enough volume) is not a shooter. But I think that will vary depending on the track record and shot volume.
If you have no track record and are shooting under 30%, like Keon or Aidoo, teams aren't going to pay attention to you. Likewise, if you had no reputation, put up one good season, then reverted back to stinkage (like Pons), teams will start playing you with a foot in the paint. But if you are a higher-volume shooter with a decent-to-very good history, like Bowden or James, the scout is going to realize that. That aren't going to just decide to stop defending you because you are shooting 26% or 29% through 25 games. They'll know there's a good chance you'll shoot over 40% for the rest of the year (like Bowden and James).[1]
Query for those that want to re-watch the tournament run: Take a look at the off-ball defense for Mashack, Scovi, and Gainey. Who was getting the most space? Until late in the season, at least, I'm pretty confident it was Mashack despite having a better shooting percentage. Did that change late, or were teams still playing the historical percentages?
[1] But not Gainey. Thanks for blowing my stupid prediction, Jordan.
Yes, Gainey is the one I had in mind. I don’t think teams appeared super-focused on getting in his face a little after the midpoint of the season. Now most teams will at least run at someone and throw a hand up even if he’s not shooting well. But teams weren’t knocking themselves out to stop Gainey.
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Post by cherokee04 on Apr 12, 2024 10:47:25 GMT -5
As far as Bama goes, as a team they shot 36.53% from beyond the arc. And the five players for them who shot the most threes hit 38.23% (and that includes Grant Nelson, a forward who shot 27.27% on 110 attempts). If you just look at their four highest 3PA guards, those four guys shot 39.91%. Compared to UT: For UT, as a team the Vols shot 34.19% (2.36% lower than Bama as a team). The five players (all guards) who shot the most threes, hit at 34.73% (3.5% lower than Bama's top five launchers). And our four highest 3PA guards shot 34.84% (5.07% lower than Bama). It does hurt us that we don't (or at least didn't) have some big guys who can step outside and shoot well. JJJ wasn't really what I think we mean when we talk about 4's and 5's that pull their defenders away from the paint. He shot a solid 34.12%, and was our sixth highest 3PA guy.
I was not clear with my Bama example. Obviously, better shooters are better.
My point about Oats was that the quality of the shooters doesn't dictate his system; the system dictates what the players do and what players you try to recruit. Even if the best shooters are all guards, Oats still has at least one big man banging away from three in every lineup. He does not tell them to stop shooting threes if they aren't having success (like fans do). If player is shooting 29% (Stevenson) but gets 8 looks against Clemson, then he's supposed to take 8 shots.
More importantly, that's true every year, which is why I picked Bama as the example. The philosophy does not change, whether Bama is shooting 37.3% in 2024 or 30.9 in 2022 (307th in the country).
That's different from what (I believe) has been Barnes's historical approach. Although he's always liked having a stretch big man, he's tweaked the offensive scheme from year to year and even mid-season (which I hate), to match the strengths of his personnel. With his old approach, I would have expected him to adjust the offense next year, playing Awaka at power forward a good bit of the time, to get his best players on the floor.
So when bchilds said the staff was focused on playing four shooters, I read that as indicating that Barnes was sticking to his guns with the current philosophy. even at the risk of losing one of his best players because of lack of minutes. But maybe I read too much into it.
Yes, and this is why I included the data about Bama’s team %, top 5 attempter % and the top 4 shooter %’s. It’s a lot easier to give a guy like Nelson the green light when you have four other guys nailing shots at a cumulative 40% clip. A big guy who hits 28% can bring his man out on him, which means the benefit you get from allowing a subpar three point shooter that much freedom is that it opens the lane up for more rim attempts. A guard like Gainey shooting at that rate isn’t going to help much.
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Post by bchilds on Apr 12, 2024 16:34:50 GMT -5
It isn’t just Dubar. He is the first though.
In a perfect world, I'd like to pair Dubar with Dailey, a 3 that can play 4 with a 4 that's athletic enough to guard 3s. Initially, there were some comments from Stillwater that seemed to think Tennessee might have some traction with Dailey, but I haven' heard anything to that effect in several days. They seem to think he's going to UCLA.
I like this thinking.
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Post by pdlglm on Apr 13, 2024 18:22:18 GMT -5
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Post by cherokee04 on Apr 13, 2024 21:01:30 GMT -5
I wonder what JM's mom thinks now.
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Post by gdrinnen2 on Apr 13, 2024 21:39:27 GMT -5
I wonder what JM's mom thinks now. I think her post was more about Aidoo. If I understood right, she was frustrated about/for him.
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Post by pdlglm on Apr 13, 2024 21:44:27 GMT -5
I wonder what JM's mom thinks now. I think her post was more about Aidoo. If I understood right, she was frustrated about/for him. Can only imagine the crap he took online after those two games.
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Post by gdrinnen2 on Apr 13, 2024 21:45:34 GMT -5
I think her post was more about Aidoo. If I understood right, she was frustrated about/for him. Can only imagine the crap he took online after those two games. Think it was absolutely brutal.
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