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Post by bchilds on Mar 25, 2024 23:21:53 GMT -5
I like them. Loved Pat.
One thing that program has forgotten, you hire a coach that you know you are going to have fire at some point in time. It’s many times better to hire an “outsider” rather than actively look for someone like Harper or Warlick who you will eventually have to fire. Those two are legends and they are tainted.
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Post by brewii on Mar 26, 2024 5:47:39 GMT -5
I like them. Loved Pat. One thing that program has forgotten, you hire a coach that you know you are going to have fire at some point in time. It’s many times better to hire an “outsider” rather than actively look for someone like Harper or Warlick who you will eventually have to fire. Those two are legends and they are tainted. Very much this^^. Although Pat is known for being the person who made/drove the women's game to the notoriety that it has now (and rightfully so), she transcended the women's college game as it was was well documented back in the day that when football recruits were on campus for visits, one of their most frequent requests was the opportunity to meet Pat. That shows what kind of aura and respect that she had even with players from the highest profile men's sport on campus. And what's even better is she went out of her way to meet with these players. She loved UT to her core. She was truly one of a kind and one of the greatest ambassadors that UT will ever have. |
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Post by cherokee04 on Mar 26, 2024 6:17:40 GMT -5
I like them. Loved Pat. One thing that program has forgotten, you hire a coach that you know you are going to have fire at some point in time. It’s many times better to hire an “outsider” rather than actively look for someone like Harper or Warlick who you will eventually have to fire. Those two are legends and they are tainted. That is what happened to Johnny Majors as well, and it's why I have no doubt that Peyton Manning wouldn't do it (aside from the obvious fact that he has never coached and has never expressed any interest at all in doing so). |
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Post by afvolunteer on Mar 26, 2024 7:08:21 GMT -5
I reflect the sentiment of a lot of folks on here. I causally follow the team. Cheer for them and often will watch a full game if it’s convenient and a big in-season game or a postseason one.
Loved Pat. Met her a few times while in school and was in awe of her, like many. Loved Kellie as a player, think she’s proven to be a bit average as a coach. Try not to get too emotionally invested in the program b/c 1) the last thing I need is yet another thing soaking up my time and passion and 2) I don’t pretend to know the intricacies of following Pat.
My gut feeling is Kellie has likely run her course and it’s unfortunately time to move on. Like many on here, my gut feeling is that by requiring the next coach to be a legacy of the UT brand is 1) severely limiting the coaching talent pool and 2) setting us up to again make letting the next coach go more challenging and disruptive than necessary if/when it inevitably needs to happen.
I really think the responses in this thread summarize my opinion of the program very well.
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Post by cherokee04 on Mar 26, 2024 11:52:35 GMT -5
I reflect the sentiment of a lot of folks on here. I causally follow the team. Cheer for them and often will watch a full game if it’s convenient and a big in-season game or a postseason one. Loved Pat. Met her a few times while in school and was in awe of her, like many. Loved Kellie as a player, think she’s proven to be a bit average as a coach. Try not to get too emotionally invested in the program b/c 1) the last thing I need is yet another thing soaking up my time and passion and 2) I don’t pretend to know the intricacies of following Pat. My gut feeling is Kellie has likely run her course and it’s unfortunately time to move on. Like many on here, my gut feeling is that by requiring the next coach to be a legacy of the UT brand is 1) severely limiting the coaching talent pool and 2) setting us up to again make letting the next coach go more challenging and disruptive than necessary if/when it inevitably needs to happen. I really think the responses in this thread summarize my opinion of the program very well. Well stated. I had hopes for CKH, but I never felt like she brought a "slam dunk hire" kind of coaching track record with her. I'm still not sure that White is going to make a change this season. My guess is there will be a conversation between him and Harper in the offseason (pretty soon I would reckon), and it might involve a discussion of high school recruiting and NIL. If you listen to a large segment of posters on The Summitt, they would have you believe that Harper bears almost no responsibility for the results after five years now, and the fault is that NIL resources aren't up to speed. I don't pretend we are on a level NIL-wise with the women's hoops programs at UConn, South Carolina, LSU and maybe a few others. But I suspect we may be better than the majority of programs and ought to be accomplishing a bit more. I don't know if more NIL money would be committed from boosters if they saw a coaching change was going to happen and knew the list of coaches we'd pursue. But at this point I don't know that the results Harper has achieved (and they aren't bad, for sure) are enough to prompt people to spend more. In other words, I'm not sure if it's a question of "give the $ to Harper and the success will follow" or more like "go land a top coach and let them know the NIL $ will be there for him/her". |
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Post by govols85 on Apr 1, 2024 12:09:06 GMT -5
I don't
That crap against SC was pathetic. I mean pathetic
She should’ve been fired on the spot. Perhaps that was the final straw. |
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Post by cherokee04 on Apr 1, 2024 18:02:31 GMT -5
She should’ve been fired on the spot. Perhaps that was the final straw. When that ending happened and they showed Harper’s reaction to it, I thought it looked like she knew that one was a game that could have really helped her cause. I’m sure she hurt for her team, but it looked like a gut punch for her personally. |
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Post by govols85 on Apr 2, 2024 11:46:25 GMT -5
Perhaps that was the final straw. When that ending happened and they showed Harper’s reaction to it, I thought it looked like she knew that one was a game that could have really helped her cause. I’m sure she hurt for her team, but it looked like a gut punch for her personally. That’s an interesting observation. I recall exactly what you’re saying. Might that one win, given her one more year? |
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Post by bdpvols on Apr 2, 2024 13:05:43 GMT -5
When that ending happened and they showed Harper’s reaction to it, I thought it looked like she knew that one was a game that could have really helped her cause. I’m sure she hurt for her team, but it looked like a gut punch for her personally. That’s an interesting observation. I recall exactly what you’re saying. Might that one win, given her one more year? Yep I doubt very seriously that had they won that game we're having this conversation. |
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Post by wtmvol on Apr 2, 2024 13:19:59 GMT -5
Perhaps that was the final straw. When that ending happened and they showed Harper’s reaction to it, I thought it looked like she knew that one was a game that could have really helped her cause. I’m sure she hurt for her team, but it looked like a gut punch for her personally. Yeah, it was hard to watch. I think she knew her dream of coaching the Lady Vols was ending with that 1 ridiculous play. Couldn’t help but feel for her, even if we all agree she’s not the answer. |
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Post by cherokee04 on Apr 2, 2024 15:21:19 GMT -5
When that ending happened and they showed Harper’s reaction to it, I thought it looked like she knew that one was a game that could have really helped her cause. I’m sure she hurt for her team, but it looked like a gut punch for her personally. That’s an interesting observation. I recall exactly what you’re saying. Might that one win, given her one more year? I’m not sure since we didn’t make the S16, but maybe. |
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Post by trex on Apr 4, 2024 8:50:25 GMT -5
She should’ve been fired on the spot. Perhaps that was the final straw. Surely she didnt set the defense up that way. No one would. Had a foul to give as well I think. Make them run and catch no way they can shoot |
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Post by wtmvol on Apr 4, 2024 12:43:09 GMT -5
Perhaps that was the final straw. Surely she didnt set the defense up that way. No one would. Had a foul to give as well I think. Make them run and catch no way they can shoot I think this is where it’s tough to be a good player and then be a coach. In her mind, she’s probably like how in the world would you not know what to do.. there’s 1 second left… |
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Post by glenstorm on Apr 4, 2024 13:09:22 GMT -5
Just win, baby. I don't care what the background, history, heritage, or favorite vegetable of who's in charge is/are, as long as his/her commitment is firmly to Tennessee.
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Post by govols85 on Apr 4, 2024 14:16:18 GMT -5
Just win, baby. I don't care what the background, history, heritage, or favorite vegetable of who's in charge is/are, as long as his/her commitment is firmly to Tennessee. Excellent point and let’s consider that Neyland, Dickey, Heupel, Mears, Pearl, Barnes, Summitt, Vitello and some other successful UT coaches were not former UT players. And at the same time, not only were they successful, but their blood runneth orange and they introduced many ongoing traditions associated with UT sports. |
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