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Post by hamiltonvol on Apr 10, 2024 16:07:39 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand this. But also, maybe these kids need to either limit their social media or develop an ability to ignore it. yeah I didn’t get it either, really. Sounds vaguely true but also I don’t know exactly what she means. Might be deliberately cryptic if her own kid is motivating her post.
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Post by pdlglm on Apr 10, 2024 16:08:02 GMT -5
very few young people are any other than addicted to social media.....
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Post by cherokee04 on Apr 10, 2024 16:11:37 GMT -5
very few young people are any other than addicted to social media..... True, which is why they (with wise parents’ help) need to limit it and develop the ability to ignore it (by ignore, I mean take what they read with a large grain of salt).
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Post by gvt11 on Apr 10, 2024 17:05:30 GMT -5
very few young people are any other than addicted to social media.....
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Post by trex on Apr 10, 2024 17:37:03 GMT -5
I can drain them in my driveway too when nobody is guarding me or it's just token defense. I don't care what you do in practice, if you're hitting 25% of your three's when it counts, that's not especially helpful.
But what is helpful is having the defense think you are a good enough threat that they have to defend you. That's an absolute necessity for the rim-and-three approach that the board wanted. Look at Bama every year, as they always have someone firing away at 27%, and usually a few guys in the 30-32% range. Case in point for the Vols is Santi. Maybe it changed in the last few games (I don't know), but before that, I looked at 4-5 games to see if Santi was really passing up a bunch of "open" shots. He wasn't. I never counted more than one passed-up shot that would be defined as "unguarded" and not many that would have been good "guarded" shots for him. Teams were still playing him as a shooter.
The real issue that bchilds is talking about, however, is not how well the 1-2-3s are shooting. It's about the 4-5s Are both your big men limited to being posts/screeners, or can at least one of them pull his defender away from the paint? I thought Aidoo would be able to this year, but he didn't shoot well from 3 in the early going, and didn't take any in the later portion. So a two-big lineup this year meant a deviation from the ordinary offense. Maybe next year Aidoo and Estrella will be able to hit from outside, but if not, your new power forward better be able to (or at least make the defense think he can).
Yep
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Post by cherokee04 on Apr 10, 2024 18:21:39 GMT -5
But what is helpful is having the defense think you are a good enough threat that they have to defend you. That's an absolute necessity for the rim-and-three approach that the board wanted. Look at Bama every year, as they always have someone firing away at 27%, and usually a few guys in the 30-32% range. Case in point for the Vols is Santi. Maybe it changed in the last few games (I don't know), but before that, I looked at 4-5 games to see if Santi was really passing up a bunch of "open" shots. He wasn't. I never counted more than one passed-up shot that would be defined as "unguarded" and not many that would have been good "guarded" shots for him. Teams were still playing him as a shooter.
The real issue that bchilds is talking about, however, is not how well the 1-2-3s are shooting. It's about the 4-5s Are both your big men limited to being posts/screeners, or can at least one of them pull his defender away from the paint? I thought Aidoo would be able to this year, but he didn't shoot well from 3 in the early going, and didn't take any in the later portion. So a two-big lineup this year meant a deviation from the ordinary offense. Maybe next year Aidoo and Estrella will be able to hit from outside, but if not, your new power forward better be able to (or at least make the defense think he can).
Yep If you're not a very good three point shooter, how long will opposing defenses think you are a significant threat? They do scout opponents. You need to BE a good enough threat that the defense puts some emphasis on defending you. Defenses aren't going to think you are for very long if you aren't. As far as Bama goes, as a team they shot 36.53% from beyond the arc. And the five players for them who shot the most threes hit 38.23% (and that includes Grant Nelson, a forward who shot 27.27% on 110 attempts). If you just look at their four highest 3PA guards, those four guys shot 39.91%. Compared to UT: For UT, as a team the Vols shot 34.19% (2.36% lower than Bama as a team). The five players (all guards) who shot the most threes, hit at 34.73% (3.5% lower than Bama's top five launchers). And our four highest 3PA guards shot 34.84% (5.07% lower than Bama). It does hurt us that we don't (or at least didn't) have some big guys who can step outside and shoot well. JJJ wasn't really what I think we mean when we talk about 4's and 5's that pull their defenders away from the paint. He shot a solid 34.12%, and was our sixth highest 3PA guy.
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Post by pdlglm on Apr 10, 2024 22:46:57 GMT -5
Jordy was not the voice I was expecting on this side of this issue...
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Post by graingermater23 on Apr 11, 2024 7:25:07 GMT -5
I’m still downright mad about Awaka. I can see now why the current system has turned a lot off people off the sport altogether. Have a little loyalty dude
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Post by pdlglm on Apr 11, 2024 7:31:42 GMT -5
They are gonna kill it. They think it can't be killed and they can just do whatever and fans will still bring the passion that makes college sports so unique.
But just starting with all new free agent rosters every yr is gonna drive people away.
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Post by cherokee04 on Apr 11, 2024 8:46:54 GMT -5
Jordy was not the voice I was expecting on this side of this issue... I think there is some truth in this take, though I know we can’t paint with too broad a brush.
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Post by cherokee04 on Apr 11, 2024 8:48:53 GMT -5
They are gonna kill it. They think it can't be killed and they can just do whatever and fans will still bring the passion that makes college sports so unique. But just starting with all new free agent rosters every yr is gonna drive people away. My enjoyment of college sports has definitely been impacted by the free agency free-for-all and bidding war, as well as the conference bureaucratic money moves and TV’s dominant role.
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Post by cherokee04 on Apr 11, 2024 8:50:51 GMT -5
I’m still downright mad about Awaka. I can see now why the current system has turned a lot off people off the sport altogether. Have a little loyalty dude My father is 81 and still pulls hard for UT. But he hates what has been happening to college sports for years and has told me about a thousand times for 25 years that TV and money will be the ruin of college sports.
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Post by govols85 on Apr 11, 2024 9:26:18 GMT -5
Jordy was not the voice I was expecting on this side of this issue... Those are two Vol legends that I greatly admired and liked as Vol players. My appreciation for Slay has increased through the years as he’s not only a VFL, but HUGE Tennessee fan. To see Jordy tweet something like that and Slay agree, increases my belief that this is broken. I don’t like professional sports anymore. I’m of the vintage where fans built relationships with players, even if was admiration via TV, news print, posters, apparel, etc. In this new age, what is VFL? As example, while I follow Tobias, I don’t have the admiration for him that I do for former star or non-star UTK athletes that played for longer periods of time. While it is not basketball, one has to admire what Peyton Manning and Trey Smith did. They turned down big money to stay one more year to be a Vol.
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Post by smyrnavol on Apr 11, 2024 10:07:32 GMT -5
Just make scholarships contracts and allow universities to pay them like employees.
I like athletes being able to move and get paid, because power 5 ball is close to pro anyway. Look at the stadiums, coach salaries, endorsements, tv contracts, etc. It’s basically the same.
But this idea of you’re an unrestricted free agent every year and we’re going to beg people to donate to collectives to make “off the books” payments instead of the athletic departments making 100s of millions per year and being funded by endless TV money is completely ridiculous.
And all of it is the NCAA’s fault for not doing anything proactive for 20-30 years when everyone saw this coming.
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Post by cherokee04 on Apr 11, 2024 10:11:57 GMT -5
Jordy was not the voice I was expecting on this side of this issue... Those are two Vol legends that I greatly admired and liked as Vol players. My appreciation for Slay has increased through the years as he’s not only a VFL, but HUGE Tennessee fan. To see Jordy tweet something like that and Slay agree, increases my belief that this is broken. I don’t like professional sports anymore. I’m of the vintage where fans built relationships with players, even if was admiration via TV, news print, posters, apparel, etc. In this new age, what is VFL? As example, while I follow Tobias, I don’t have the admiration for him that I do for former star or non-star UTK athletes that played for longer periods of time. While it is not basketball, one has to admire what Peyton Manning and Trey Smith did. They turned down big money to stay one more year to be a Vol. Loyalty and time to get a sense of knowing the players is something that gave colleges an edge over the pros. That is one more casualty of the money/TV complex that is hurting the enjoyment and pride fans have in following their college teams.
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