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Post by cherokee04 on Jun 30, 2020 14:57:24 GMT -5
My guess is we'll initially see the starting lineup as:
Vescovi, JJJ, Fulkerson, Pons and Bailey. In that lineup, I see JJJ as a rebounding large guard or small forward, Santi running point, Bailey for 3 point threat (as well as Pons hopefully). If Anosike is a credible inside threat though, he may be in the lineup over Bailey, though that might leave us without enough of a 3 point threat. I also don't really know how well EJ stacks up at this level of competition vs. someone like Nkamhoua. I just know I like EJ's physical presence more.
I think we will see Springer and Keon Johnson both getting 10-15 minutes fairly quickly. Anosike, Nkamhoua, Plavsic and Walker may split minutes inside, but I don't know how physically ready Walker will be. I know Davonta Gaines gave us some high energy last year, but I struggle to see where he or Pember get a lot of minutes.
This is tough because we'll have some guys that might normally be expected to see their minutes go up from last year that may be getting passed by. Who that will be I don't know, but I think the obvious candidates are Nkamhoua, Pember, Gaines, with the possibility of either JJJ or Vescovi also being in that position depending on how much they have progressed vs. how good Springer, Bailey and Keon Johnson look.
There, I think I have hedged my bets enough to have sufficiently said almost nothing.
I'm mainly just starting this thread so that the more knowledgeable b-ball guys can opine.
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Post by bchilds on Jun 30, 2020 16:37:55 GMT -5
Oooohhhh. I’ll play:
I think the starting lineup (which in my opinion wi have less value this year) starts with Vescovi at the point. He was erratic but fearless and shows the passing acumen. The first wing spot is Springer. If what he did in high school translates to college hoops, the guy just gets to his spots in the midrange area. This creates chaos and opens passing lanes as well as his offensive scoring package. The other wing is JJJ. I think him solely as a point guard is done on this team. He is a great secondary ball handler, but if he isn’t told to score he won’t do it. Pons will start in the post as long as he returns and he is the teams safety net. Fulkerson is the last big and will be the primary low post scorer and the primary on ball post defender.
The bench situation will be fluid but I think the first two guards off the bench will always be Johnson and Bailey. The big off the bench is EJ. Energy guys who have great individual strengths. Johnson is an elite athlete among athletes. Should be a defensive stalwart and an open court nightmare for other teams. If his jumper comes along, he certainly capable of starting. Bailey is another plus athlete with an extremely smooth stroke. Another contender to start as well pending development. EJ is the post grinder that should rebound and get fouled. We need that second unit to draw some fouls.
Now comes the most important. Who will finish games? This is the problem that has been driving me crazy. There are times when I think Pons, Fulkerson, and/or Vescovi should not be in at the end. Freshman usually struggle at first as well. So seeing a lineup of Bailey, James, Johnson, Springer and Pons/Fulkerson is the first option. That five should leave plenty of teams tongues dragging. Maybe mix Vescovi/Johnson offense for defense. Or go shooters and have Bailey and Vescovi out there together and sit the freshmen.
Thoughts?
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Post by pdlglm on Jun 30, 2020 17:02:33 GMT -5
will not at all be surprised if Springer starts - expect him to be the most ready of the freshmen. Think Johnson gets solid minutes off the bench and honestly, expect Walker to as well. think he will really surprise some folks.
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Post by knoxkid on Jun 30, 2020 20:07:50 GMT -5
I think it'll look something like this to start
Vescovi/Springer/Bailey Springer/Bailey/Johnson JJJ/Johnson/Walker Pons/EJ/Walker Fulky/Pons/Uros
I kind of hope Pember and Gaines can redshirt. ORN will see spot mins.
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Post by cherokee04 on Jul 2, 2020 8:03:33 GMT -5
I think it'll look something like this to start Vescovi/Springer/Bailey Springer/Bailey/Johnson JJJ/Johnson/Walker Pons/EJ/Walker Fulky/Pons/Uros I kind of hope Pember and Gaines can redshirt. ORN will see spot mins. I like Gaines' energy, haven't seen much from limited time out of Pember. But Gaines could use a redshirt year to bulk up a bit and work on his shot. I just feel like with the guys we have returning and coming in, finding him minutes in that backcourt is going to be very tough. Maybe with a year of physical and skills development and some guys moving on, he could suddenly be a valuable redshirt sophomore or junior. I really want to see if Uros can make a leap. His minutes were very limited last year, but even in that short time I felt at times like he was almost invisible on the court, which is pretty hard for a 7 footer to do.
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Post by afvolunteer on Jul 2, 2020 17:03:36 GMT -5
I think it'll look something like this to start Vescovi/Springer/Bailey Springer/Bailey/Johnson JJJ/Johnson/Walker Pons/EJ/Walker Fulky/Pons/Uros I kind of hope Pember and Gaines can redshirt. ORN will see spot mins. I like Gaines' energy, haven't seen much from limited time out of Pember. But Gaines could use a redshirt year to bulk up a bit and work on his shot. I just feel like with the guys we have returning and coming in, finding him minutes in that backcourt is going to be very tough. Maybe with a year of physical and skills development and some guys moving on, he could suddenly be a valuable redshirt sophomore or junior. I really want to see if Uros can make a leap. His minutes were very limited last year, but even in that short time I felt at times like he was almost invisible on the court, which is pretty hard for a 7 footer to do. I LOVE Gaines’ energy and his attitude. He’s fearless on D and is a pest for opponents. He’s also fearless on offense, which is a quality you just can’t teach some folks. But the talent on offense just isn’t quite there yet, so he ends up throwing up shots that hit nothing but the backboard. I think a redshirt year could do wonders for him, possibly freeing up some playing time for him down the road. But then I think if he redshirts this year, which seniors will leave...Fulk, Anosike, and Pons if he’s not gone already? Gaines doesn’t really play the 4/5 like those guys do? He’s already had a year of prep school so he’s effectively redshirted 1 year already. So then I think maybe it’s just best for him to keep plugging along and doing his best to earn role player minutes off the bench instead of redshirt like Jalen Johnson and end up transferring down the road. I really don’t know. Like most of you, I think our starting 5 is likely: Vescovi Springer JJJ Pons Fulk That’s a solid group, but it sounds like we have to legitimately think about Pons not returning. If that’s the case, who starts at the 4....EJ? Walker? Especially for the newcomers (frosh + EJ and bailey), Barnes loves him some D. I know very little about the D of the 3 frosh, but Bailey has great street cred from the Oregon boards and practice reports from last year. That plus whatever 3 pt% he gives us I think earns him a ton of minutes. I’m most excited about him I think of all our newcomers, but that’s probably misguided. Barnes has always talked about playing fast, but he’s not always executed that well. We appear on paper to have a super deep group (particularly if Pons is back). Bchilds brings up a great point about finishing games. More last year than most, I saw Barnes subbing at lot at the end of games for offense/defense. I was really impressed how he utilized it at times. Anyway, it’s a tough question. Vescovi was a bit turnover prone last year (an understatement) but got better with time and was pretty solid at end of games. His D was suspect but also it improved. But he was the best FT shooter on the team. I kind of want the ball in his hands at the end of games until proven otherwise. I think Bailey may earn his way in to the end of games as well though, esp if his D is truly as good as rumored. His last year at Oregon, he shot ~40% from 3 and made 41 of 45 free throws on the year in about 20 mins per game, and not particularly TO prone. Plus he’s got experience. That sounds like another finisher to me. 3-5, prob JJJ, Pons, and Fulk if avail? That leaves no freshman out there, but given their hype I’m sure any of the 3 could possibly supplant someone?
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Post by bchilds on Jul 2, 2020 20:11:22 GMT -5
I am not saying this will happen, but if Pons leaves I look for Bailey or Johnson to slide into that starting role. English played as a very undersized 4 and thrived, JJJ could definitely at least occupy the mid post and provide great passing.
If EJ is that good, then naturally he goes there.
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Post by afvolunteer on Jul 3, 2020 10:05:16 GMT -5
I am not saying this will happen, but if Pons leaves I look for Bailey or Johnson to slide into that starting role. English played as a very undersized 4 and thrived, JJJ could definitely at least occupy the mid post and provide great passing. If EJ is that good, then naturally he goes there. Yeah, agreed if EJ is good enough, then it’s an easy fix. If not, then all bets are off but I 100% agree with you in that whether it’s Bailey or Johnson that jumps in the starting lineup, I see them both at the 3 with JJJ sliding over to the 4. On offense, it’s not as much of a problem anywhere and guys can play wherever, but on D...JJJ seems like the best option to guard the 4 at the other position. My concern is with him and Fulk as our 2 bigs, it’s just not a lot of beef if the opposition has a big lineup down low. Pons coming back is huge for this reason....makes our post D infinitely better, IMO.
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Post by smyrnavol on Jul 3, 2020 19:48:59 GMT -5
I don’t think you can bring in a guy like Springer and not start him (unless he’s just really not ready). That was probably part of the deal when he committed.
If Vescovi can can back in the country, I think it’s:
Vescovi Springer James Pons Fulkerson
My guess at the bench is that Keon, Bailey, and Anosike will get the lion’s share of minutes. Gaines and Walker will get some spot duty. I don’t see Plavsic or ON playing outside of foul trouble minutes, and Pember probably won’t play at all. Pember actually LOST like 15 pounds since the end of last season. I don’t see him making it here if he can’t develop physically.
As always, just my guess.
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Post by gvt11 on Jul 3, 2020 19:57:21 GMT -5
I don’t think you can bring in a guy like Springer and not start him (unless he’s just really not ready). That was probably part of the deal when he committed. If Vescovi can can back in the country, I think it’s: Vescovi Springer James Pons Fulkerson My guess at the bench is that Keon, Bailey, and Anosike will get the lion’s share of minutes. Gaines and Walker will get some spot duty. I don’t see Plavsic or ON playing outside of foul trouble minutes, and Pember probably won’t play at all. Pember actually LOST like 15 pounds since the end of last season. I don’t see him making it here if he can’t develop physically. As always, just my guess. I know it’s none of my business, but seeing Pember lost 15 pounds makes me think he is one of the players who contracted COVID. Really curious to see James. He better step up or he’ll get passed. Making strides in athleticism can be tough.
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Post by pdlglm on Jul 3, 2020 21:36:38 GMT -5
I don’t think you can bring in a guy like Springer and not start him (unless he’s just really not ready). That was probably part of the deal when he committed. Yeah, Springer is either gonna start or play a whole bunch.
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Post by cherokee04 on Jul 4, 2020 11:57:27 GMT -5
Yeah, Springer is either gonna start or play a whole bunch. Is Springer considered significantly more ready than Keon? Is injury rehab something that might hold KJ back early on? I think they are both outstanding players, so I'm just curious what it is about Springer's game that has folks thinking he'll play more than KJ? I'm not disagreeing, just curious.
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Post by pdlglm on Jul 4, 2020 21:39:32 GMT -5
Is Springer considered significantly more ready than Keon? Is injury rehab something that might hold KJ back early on? I think they are both outstanding players, so I'm just curious what it is about Springer's game that has folks thinking he'll play more than KJ? I'm not disagreeing, just curious. I expect Springer's offense to be more advanced that Johnson's.
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