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Post by Stopspopsdrops83 on Sept 30, 2024 21:26:22 GMT -5
I realize I’m paranoid about recruiting but we can’t keep missing on these guys it’s going to bit the program in the butt real soon
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Post by bchilds on Oct 2, 2024 10:22:09 GMT -5
Tennessee did everything they could. He is from New Jersey and went to a juggernaut.
They have been very aggressive in recruiting this class.
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Post by cherokee04 on Oct 2, 2024 14:26:32 GMT -5
Tennessee did everything they could. He is from New Jersey and went to a juggernaut. They have been very aggressive in recruiting this class. Agree, but I really want to see us pull in a strong HS class this cycle. |
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Post by Stopspopsdrops83 on Oct 3, 2024 21:18:35 GMT -5
I completely understand we did all we could BUT we did all we could on a few guys last year and still missed. We gotta hit some pretty soon or we become portal university, not my preference
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Post by goldenjay on Oct 6, 2024 12:31:24 GMT -5
I completely understand we did all we could BUT we did all we could on a few guys last year and still missed. We gotta hit some pretty soon or we become portal university, not my preference I wonder if all the HS hot-shots have heard how hard Barnes works his players, and worry that they won't be able to please him enough on defense, especially, to play significant minutes as freshmen. The elite recruits have all had their eyes on the League since they were in grade school. They don't want to hear about "learning the system," "waiting your turn," and "fitting into the culture". Aspiring 3- and 4-star types might sign up for that, but I frankly doubt most 5-star types will these days. No doubt there are some, and the Vols have signed a few of them, but the number of elite guys who have UT among their favorites is small compared to the numbers of Duke, Kansas, UConn, and such. |
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Post by Stopspopsdrops83 on Oct 6, 2024 12:57:40 GMT -5
I completely understand we did all we could BUT we did all we could on a few guys last year and still missed. We gotta hit some pretty soon or we become portal university, not my preference I wonder if all the HS hot-shots have heard how hard Barnes works his players, and worry that they won't be able to please him enough on defense, especially, to play significant minutes as freshmen. The elite recruits have all had their eyes on the League since they were in grade school. They don't want to hear about "learning the system," "waiting your turn," and "fitting into the culture". Aspiring 3- and 4-star types might sign up for that, but I frankly doubt most 5-star types will these days. No doubt there are some, and the Vols have signed a few of them, but the number of elite guys who have UT among their favorites is small compared to the numbers of Duke, Kansas, UConn, and such. I have always wondered if this could be right and always hope it to be wrong. I kinda lean in the wrong direction just because Barnes is such a known commodity and has been for years. The thing with Barnes is he is so darn selective, you absolutely have to be a “good” kid, you gotta fit the culture, you gotta play absolutely gut wrenching defense, you can’t get in the doghouse etc. etc. It’s like the movie Hoosiers, you gotta pass the ball 5 times before you shoot exaggerating just to make a point. Barnes has been really great I’m just down on so many recruiting misses from last year and so far this plus today I got the football games blues and flashbacks of Philip Fulmer and John Chavis. |
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Post by bchilds on Oct 6, 2024 16:45:50 GMT -5
This isn’t the case. Most 5 star recruits are looking for a strong relationship first. Then system fits on both offense and defense. Then playing time and their usage. After that location and compensation start to factor.
Most 5 stars aren’t afraid of hard work or understanding defense. Most. Usually the playing time is what hurts because Barnes likes the portal and always has older guys around. Can you blame them?
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Post by Stopspopsdrops83 on Oct 6, 2024 21:05:13 GMT -5
This isn’t the case. Most 5 star recruits are looking for a strong relationship first. Then system fits on both offense and defense. Then playing time and their usage. After that location and compensation start to factor. Most 5 stars aren’t afraid of hard work or understanding defense. Most. Usually the playing time is what hurts because Barnes likes the portal and always has older guys around. Can you blame them? If Barnes can get to the Final 4 using kids from the portal I’m absolutely ecstatic with the process but I have to take one exception Barnes has always been a seniority guy we have all watched freshman go into that doghouse and never be able to come out. Admiral managed to work his way out but that was in the very early tenure for Barnes and IDK whether that was Admiral being a Military brat or Barnes just recognized with Williams he really needed Admiral to push that team to the maximum. I do absolutely believe Barnes is a “character guy” and unlike say Pearl, just one example don’t everyone freak, Barnes isn’t willing to overlook a whole lot of things other coaches would consider a lesser evil. Also I gotta ask why is our program wasting time recruiting 5 star kids if already a known Barnes wants to play older more experienced guys, seems to be an oxymoron strategy. Let’s just put our effort into mid level 4 star guys and high level 3 star guys that are willing to wait a year or two behind these older portal kids that appear to be where the program is headed. I’m just a really big basketball guy and I’m absolutely sure there your knowledge is way beyond mine but recruiting 5 star and highly ranked 4 star kids while admitting that Barnes loves the portal and the experience just doesn’t match up? Your input would be appreciated from a concerned fan not in the know |
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Post by bchilds on Oct 6, 2024 22:02:38 GMT -5
Simply put. 5 stars are the best players. They are incredible athletes with extreme amounts of talent. Some of that isn’t fully tapped in. For the most part it’s hard to see when it will come out.
The bad part about today’s climate is no one wants to wait their turn and just learn. So even taking a kid who could be all conference in his junior year, will he stick around? Take all the BS out from DJ Burns, imagine that guy in the program for 4 years. It was well “rumored” that money played a factor on multiple Tennessee decisions just this past season with Zeigler (Barnes wanted him to make the most), and Dillione (couldn’t crack the rotation).
But players all from 60-150 will not consistently get you in the conversation of a final 4 which is the next step for this program. It’s a tough spot. I feel you on the questions. Ultimately he has to get the best players. Portal and/or recruiting. In recruiting 5 stars have the highest floors and ceilings.
As an aside, Admiral and Grant and Bone and Turner are the exception. Barnes hadn’t won anything yet at Tennessee. Even when Admiral was in the doghouse, he knew he couldn’t lose him. Now there aren’t many players under 20 who you can truly say Barnes needs that he has on his roster.
Edit: I know this scenario is unrealistic but humor me. All talent based. Would you chase an 18 year old LeBron and KD? Or would you go after 4 18 year old Zeigler types? Or would you chase 3 21 year old Lonzo Ball types?
If you have a shot at the first two you have to take it. That’s what Barnes and Co are doing.
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Post by smyrnavol on Oct 7, 2024 16:00:31 GMT -5
I’m fine never signing a 5 star again with Barnes. He only has success with 4 star types who stick around.
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Post by cherokee04 on Oct 7, 2024 17:31:29 GMT -5
I’m fine never signing a 5 star again with Barnes. He only has success with 4 star types who stick around. Yeah, even the five stars who pan out pretty well haven't really helped us go deep into the NCAAT that I can recall. That may be as much about the other pieces of the team as well, but I'd also say that I think a lot of coaches struggle to get a team to reach its max potential when it has multiple young studs getting big minutes. |
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Post by Stopspopsdrops83 on Oct 7, 2024 20:53:33 GMT -5
Simply put. 5 stars are the best players. They are incredible athletes with extreme amounts of talent. Some of that isn’t fully tapped in. For the most part it’s hard to see when it will come out. The bad part about today’s climate is no one wants to wait their turn and just learn. So even taking a kid who could be all conference in his junior year, will he stick around? Take all the BS out from DJ Burns, imagine that guy in the program for 4 years. It was well “rumored” that money played a factor on multiple Tennessee decisions just this past season with Zeigler (Barnes wanted him to make the most), and Dillione (couldn’t crack the rotation). But players all from 60-150 will not consistently get you in the conversation of a final 4 which is the next step for this program. It’s a tough spot. I feel you on the questions. Ultimately he has to get the best players. Portal and/or recruiting. In recruiting 5 stars have the highest floors and ceilings. As an aside, Admiral and Grant and Bone and Turner are the exception. Barnes hadn’t won anything yet at Tennessee. Even when Admiral was in the doghouse, he knew he couldn’t lose him. Now there aren’t many players under 20 who you can truly say Barnes needs that he has on his roster. Edit: I know this scenario is unrealistic but humor me. All talent based. Would you chase an 18 year old LeBron and KD? Or would you go after 4 18 year old Zeigler types? Or would you chase 3 21 year old Lonzo Ball types? If you have a shot at the first two you have to take it. That’s what Barnes and Co are doing. Absolutely great post and I really appreciate the response. I completely understand the plan for us really big fans that don’t have any insider knowledge it is really welcomed. I just gotta say that after we kinda crashed last year and IF we do crash on recruiting this year someone has to look at changing the plan, it’s just not sustainable to leave years with only 5 players returning. That’s right ONLY 5 return, just won’t work. Now as stated if we want to become a portal team maybe Barnes ego has taken over and he believes he has evolved into an NBA general manager, if he can pull it off I’m all for winning regardless. It just looks like it’s gotta whole lot of boom or bust associated and just doesn’t seem like Barnes MO. As far as the edit response give me 3 recruits every single year with ZZ’s HEART and one polished shooter from the portal and I’m good. I don’t believe ZZ was even a 3 star before we signed him. I do really appreciate the info, I’m bowvieating because I would really appreciate any info I can get. Thanks |
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Post by pdlglm on Oct 8, 2024 9:22:20 GMT -5
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Post by cherokee04 on Oct 8, 2024 11:52:49 GMT -5
Some of the best Vol players ever recruited have had typical to a little above typical numbers as freshmen. I think Dale Ellis averaged around 7.6 (or close to that) PPG as a frosh. |
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