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Post by gvt11 on Jul 29, 2021 12:04:40 GMT -5
This Cason Wallace deal sent me off on another " thesis looking for support" (tm) cherokee04 - thought process. With Saban announcing that his freshman quarterback has $1 million in NIL deals lined up and the report that Cal was giving NIL presentations to kids at Peach Jam, I'm thinking we are going to see a widening chasm between schools which are running minor league franchises in football and basketball (aka Bama football and KY basketball) and those which attempt to maintain the facade of "business as usual/come by my school for an education and life lessons" like Barnes and Tennessee. I've gone from thinking this won't be a huge deal, maybe John Fulkerson gets paid for wearing a Pal's shirt, to this "Great Divide" thought. There are so many implications to this that even the minor league franchise guys won't like. Coaches will lose almost total control of their players access to the media. Even Saban won't be able to tell his QB he can't talk to the media. They'll be able to schedule practice time, but trying to control the player's time outside practice and game time are out the window. And, punishment is going to be really dicey. If a major donor has an endorsement deal with a kid, how does the coach bench that kid without incurring the sponsor's wrath. Heck, there'll be players with bigger endorsement deals than what Barnes has with Farmer's Insurance and whatever the current name of "First Tennessee Bank" might be. Now, I don't think a guy like Barnes will change the way he does business, but he may find himself struggling to maintain his "culture" in an increasingly hostile environment. And, there's no way the folks who gave him that recent extension had an appreciation about the changes coming along. A sea change is comin'. |
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Post by smyrnavol on Jul 29, 2021 12:39:50 GMT -5
Maybe, but I still haven’t seen any of this stuff actually happen yet. Even the Saban thing has not materialized, and people have said he was just talking out of his ass as a recruiting pitch.
We have this idea of boosters being a bunch of billionaires willing to throw millions of dollars around for something that gets them zero monetary value in return, and I just don’t think that is reality. There will be a handful of players who get approached by large companies who see marketing opportunity and ROI potential. And those kids will get big deals. But there’s not that many of them out there that are worth the money.
Almost all NIL stuff will be Fulky type deals.
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Post by deezvols on Jul 29, 2021 14:30:14 GMT -5
Almost all NIL stuff will be Fulky type deals. And thats what will enlarge the Great Divide. Great topic BTW. Symrna may be right, it may not change much. However, I think NIL will have MAJOR implications. Barnes better be ready to change and/or adapt or he needs to potentially accelerate his retirement. I'd be creating a staff RIGHT NOW to brainstorm how to best take advantage of this likely landscape changing rule. Find the smart people to take advantage ASAP. I see it as an opportunity, especially for the football program, to return to the glory days sooner. And for the basketball program to awake from the sleeping giant we've always thought it could be. There is tremendous momentum within the basketball program right now and I'd hate to see it derailed before it got going to what appears to be a really good run of success because we didn't think NIL would change much, and we're related to also-ran status again. I guarantee you Saban is already exploring where to take advantage and push the envelope of the rules. Thats what he's always done. I know some don't care for Basilio, but he makes good points often. Recently he put forward that the fact that the state of Tennessee and UT is in a unique position. He said no other state in the SEC has the 4 relatively large cities like Tennessee does and speculated that there is more "NIL potential" for UT because of this. I don't know if that makes a difference, but it is thought provoking. Could it simply be NIL allows you to make players more available to the common fan? Enhancing and building the brand? Recruiting the younger generation that is always looking for role models? More money in these cities that are still largely UT towns? I don't know, but I do believe one thing, those that don't embrace NIL will likely fall further behind. |
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Post by deezvols on Jul 29, 2021 14:38:06 GMT -5
And I meant to add this. I know the UT guy that owns DISH hasn't ever really appeared to be that big of a player/booster, but dang, there appears to be a big NIL advantage that DISH Network could provide.
What about Peyton's many business ventures? Gotta be something to take advantage of there. Think about it, being a UT QB means I'm automatically tied financially and visibly to Peyton Freaking Manning!
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Post by cherokee04 on Jul 29, 2021 15:05:43 GMT -5
Yeah, it's so early that I think we just don't know all the potential consquences/implications of this thing, but I think it could go awry in some ways. I can definitely see the potential for COI between the player's primary responsibility to his team/craft and his potentially lucrative deals. Oh yeah, classes and a degree fit in there somewhere I guess...
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Post by smyrnavol on Jul 29, 2021 18:34:10 GMT -5
Almost all NIL stuff will be Fulky type deals. And thats what will enlarge the Great Divide. Great topic BTW. Symrna may be right, it may not change much. However, I think NIL will have MAJOR implications. Barnes better be ready to change and/or adapt or he needs to potentially accelerate his retirement. I'd be creating a staff RIGHT NOW to brainstorm how to best take advantage of this likely landscape changing rule. Find the smart people to take advantage ASAP. I see it as an opportunity, especially for the football program, to return to the glory days sooner. And for the basketball program to awake from the sleeping giant we've always thought it could be. There is tremendous momentum within the basketball program right now and I'd hate to see it derailed before it got going to what appears to be a really good run of success because we didn't think NIL would change much, and we're related to also-ran status again. I guarantee you Saban is already exploring where to take advantage and push the envelope of the rules. Thats what he's always done. I know some don't care for Basilio, but he makes good points often. Recently he put forward that the fact that the state of Tennessee and UT is in a unique position. He said no other state in the SEC has the 4 relatively large cities like Tennessee does and speculated that there is more "NIL potential" for UT because of this. I don't know if that makes a difference, but it is thought provoking. Could it simply be NIL allows you to make players more available to the common fan? Enhancing and building the brand? Recruiting the younger generation that is always looking for role models? More money in these cities that are still largely UT towns? I don't know, but I do believe one thing, those that don't embrace NIL will likely fall further behind. I definitely agree it is a new angle that will be worked by some much better than others. An embracing it will be required for keeping up. |
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Post by cherokee04 on Jul 29, 2021 18:54:23 GMT -5
And thats what will enlarge the Great Divide. Great topic BTW. Symrna may be right, it may not change much. However, I think NIL will have MAJOR implications. Barnes better be ready to change and/or adapt or he needs to potentially accelerate his retirement. I'd be creating a staff RIGHT NOW to brainstorm how to best take advantage of this likely landscape changing rule. Find the smart people to take advantage ASAP. I see it as an opportunity, especially for the football program, to return to the glory days sooner. And for the basketball program to awake from the sleeping giant we've always thought it could be. There is tremendous momentum within the basketball program right now and I'd hate to see it derailed before it got going to what appears to be a really good run of success because we didn't think NIL would change much, and we're related to also-ran status again. I guarantee you Saban is already exploring where to take advantage and push the envelope of the rules. Thats what he's always done. I know some don't care for Basilio, but he makes good points often. Recently he put forward that the fact that the state of Tennessee and UT is in a unique position. He said no other state in the SEC has the 4 relatively large cities like Tennessee does and speculated that there is more "NIL potential" for UT because of this. I don't know if that makes a difference, but it is thought provoking. Could it simply be NIL allows you to make players more available to the common fan? Enhancing and building the brand? Recruiting the younger generation that is always looking for role models? More money in these cities that are still largely UT towns? I don't know, but I do believe one thing, those that don't embrace NIL will likely fall further behind. I definitely agree it is a new angle that will be worked by some much better than others. An embracing it will be required for keeping up. I'll be curious to see if Bama has as much of an edge in doing this above board as they long have had in doing it under the table. |
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Post by smyrnavol on Jul 29, 2021 19:05:11 GMT -5
I definitely agree it is a new angle that will be worked by some much better than others. An embracing it will be required for keeping up. I'll be curious to see if Bama has as much of an edge in doing this above board as they long have had in doing it under the table. The thing about teams like that is that they are already at the zenith. They can only take 25 kids per year and their recruiting classes really can’t get any better than they already are. If anything, it may allow other schools to catch them a bit if they can offer a big market and potential for earnings. |
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Post by cherokee04 on Jul 29, 2021 19:46:29 GMT -5
I'll be curious to see if Bama has as much of an edge in doing this above board as they long have had in doing it under the table. The thing about teams like that is that they are already at the zenith. They can only take 25 kids per year and their recruiting classes really can’t get any better than they already are. If anything, it may allow other schools to catch them a bit if they can offer a big market and potential for earnings. That's a great point. |
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Post by gvt11 on Jul 29, 2021 20:27:26 GMT -5
The thing about teams like that is that they are already at the zenith. They can only take 25 kids per year and their recruiting classes really can’t get any better than they already are. If anything, it may allow other schools to catch them a bit if they can offer a big market and potential for earnings. That's a great point. Maybe so, but the teams which are prepared to turn their teams into G League operations, will be able to move decisively in that area now. And the teams with coaches who are equipped to deal with that environment, will have an opportunity to prosper. No longer will they have to hide the money or compete with the G League salaries. That won't be for every kid, but it likely will be attractive to a lot of kids. And, yeah, there'll be a lot of small deals like Fulky deals, but the real players won't be working those kinds of deals. That gets to deez's reference to the divide growing wider. And, the notion of coaches and SID losing control over access to players is a whole 'nother ball of cat fur. |
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Post by awinatl on Jul 29, 2021 22:07:57 GMT -5
I'll be curious to see if Bama has as much of an edge in doing this above board as they long have had in doing it under the table. The thing about teams like that is that they are already at the zenith. They can only take 25 kids per year and their recruiting classes really can’t get any better than they already are. If anything, it may allow other schools to catch them a bit if they can offer a big market and potential for earnings. Alabama football and KY basketball will have national brand type of NIL opportunities …… the rich will get richer , the poor will keep up for awhile but Billy Bob’s Ford dealership will eventually run out of money as the result of endorsing local college athletes with a minimal ROI |
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Post by deezvols on Jul 30, 2021 7:47:21 GMT -5
The thing about teams like that is that they are already at the zenith. They can only take 25 kids per year and their recruiting classes really can’t get any better than they already are. If anything, it may allow other schools to catch them a bit if they can offer a big market and potential for earnings. Alabama football and KY basketball will have national brand type of NIL opportunities …… the rich will get richer , the poor will keep up for awhile but Billy Bob’s Ford dealership will eventually run out of money as the result of endorsing local college athletes with a minimal ROI I'll counter that Tennessee overall has a national brand. All recognize the Power T, the unique color, Rocky Top, and the "Vols". Doesn't mean they like it, but its recognizable. Anybody recognize Kentucky's fight song immediately? A&M? Florida? And our fan base is crazier than most, starving for a winner to be associated with. I know that football has soured many but then I see what happened with the baseVols this spring. Billy Bob's car dealership in Sneedville might run out of money, but the car dealerships in Knoxville, Chattanooga, Nashville, and Memphis won't. The question is, can UT take advantage? Will we even try? |
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Post by gvt11 on Jul 30, 2021 8:29:15 GMT -5
Alabama football and KY basketball will have national brand type of NIL opportunities …… the rich will get richer , the poor will keep up for awhile but Billy Bob’s Ford dealership will eventually run out of money as the result of endorsing local college athletes with a minimal ROI I'll counter that Tennessee overall has a national brand. All recognize the Power T, the unique color, Rocky Top, and the "Vols". Doesn't mean they like it, but its recognizable. Anybody recognize Kentucky's fight song immediately? A&M? Florida? And our fan base is crazier than most, starving for a winner to be associated with. I know that football has soured many but then I see what happened with the baseVols this spring. Billy Bob's car dealership in Sneedville might run out of money, but the car dealerships in Knoxville, Chattanooga, Nashville, and Memphis won't. The question is, can UT take advantage? Will we even try? I think the key - as distasteful as it might be to coaches like Barnes - will be to re-configuring thought process toward, "how do we maximize earning opportunities for our players while they are here." Now, he might not - probably shouldn't - be the person in charge of that, but the AD sure as heck better hire someone to do it. That'll lead to some uncomfortable - at first - situations for coaches who are used to being the center of the universe for their players. But, they'll either adjust or decide to retire. Guys like Satan and Cal have a head start on this as they've pretty much always looked to maximize earning potential. Satan has done this while retaining a lot of control, so it can be done. There'll be other coaches who figure it out. I hope we do. |
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Post by deezvols on Jul 30, 2021 8:43:58 GMT -5
And it's official, Fulky and Pals are partnering. Press conference scheduled for Monday.
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Post by goldenjay on Jul 30, 2021 10:58:13 GMT -5
While I think something like this NIL thing was all but inevitable at some point, it is clear to me that NOBODY has thought through all the implications of its effects on the "traditional" model of college sports. New and previously unsuspected connections and influences will continue to emerge. Alliances and rivalries will emerge from the most unexpected directions. The only thing we will know for sure is that the future will not look anything like the systems that have emerged over the last century of largely unplanned growth.
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